Does learning across boundaries just happen or does it need to be structured?
Does moving across boundaries produce a lot of failure as well as learning?
issues of losing competence in new contexts - eg successful teacher moves into different kind of school and has real trouble in managing the class; academics moving from face to face university to OU distance learning
Needing support to make the transition
Such failures can, but not always, be very productive of learning, but depend on support reflection and sensemaking
Do 'well formed' professionals crossing boundaries sometimes find their participation in the new context is peripheral but not legitimate
Assumptions/ values about 'what matters' can be challenged as you move across boundaries/ operate across boundaries (multi-membership)
How do you go about learning from failure?
Does too much self conscious reflection about the learning process lead to poor teaching?
Are there lessons to be learned from how we have communicated across boundaries in this workshop for other cross boundary situations?
In what ways does access to/ understanding of technology represents an important boundary in modern society?
What do we need to understand about how crossing boundaries for professions carries issues of credibility, power and status. Eg school inpector credibility rests on prior history as teaching practitioner, relation between manager's role in early years setting and prior current practice with children; research practice, professional practice as source of credibility /status for HE teaching practitioners
What will you change or reframe in your practice out of this workshop?
How do you recognise a boundary - are some invisible?
How important is language?
Role of work versus non-work in building identity
What outputs should we produce in terms of thinking doing and being?
Has there been inquiry?
Questions from the #oulop09 Twitter stream
An example of getting immediate answers via twitter
• gconole: anyone know the correct word for the meaning "the purest form or original version of something" we think its ohr or urh? help! #oulop09
Mark Gaved at 20:08 on 03 July
ursprache - German for "the speech of Ur", referring to the ancient Sumerian city (now in Iraq): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur . Neil Stevenson might be partly to blame for its usage in computing culture because he references Sumerian culture quite a lot in his book "Snowcrash"(1992) - which could also be partly responsible for the popularisation of "avatar" and "meme" and virtual worlds as social places.. DonMique@gconole 'arch' as in archetypical would give you the same, but maybe not so pure1 minute ago from web in reply to gconole
• gconole: found it! "ur" meaning original, prototypical from the german ursprache #oulop09
gconole: in a group looking at the question education for a job or educational for life? #oulop09
• davidandrew52: @PaulHollins balance of social and work seems crucial, but one of the things that people don't get #oulop09
• cristinacost: @gconole indeed! the value is in the people, what they share and how they show they care (about your questions, comments, etc) #oulop09 Fri Jul 3 15:44:13 2009
• mocreevy: @gconole #oulop09 experience matters but experien e ~= learning? Fri Jul 3 12:51:07 2009
• gconole: "Experience more important than education" #oulop09 Fri Jul 3 12:47:52 2009
Why twitter?
• jamesclay: @gconole #oulop09 think of Twitter as a stream and dip your toes in now and again, no need to walk down the stream Fri Jul 3 15:46:37 2009
• jamesclay: @gconole #oulop09 Twitter conversation is chatting over coffee without the constraints of geography and time. Fri Jul 3 15:46:07 2009
• jamesclay: @gconole #oulop09 think of Twitter as the conversation you have during coffee at a conference or work, sometimes work, sometimes not... Fri Jul 3 15:45:42 2009
• cristinacost: ... @gconole #oulop09 and also on the retweets of those you follow... the network will grow - but u want it to remain meaningfulFri Jul 3 15:42:26 2009
• cristinacost: @gconole #oulop09 once U get used to the twitter activity U will start following those U find relevant -based on the ones U follow & ....Fri Jul 3 15:40:54 2009
• gconole: @cristinacost thanks cristina! 4 me its the value of the community - knowledge I gain & the shared support & my own "aha moment" #oulop09Fri Jul 3 15:40:45 2009
• cristinacost: @gconole #oulop09 start following only a couple of ppl - those who u think will B meaningful for ur personal/prof. development...Fri Jul 3 15:39:07 2009 cristinacost@gconole indeed! the value is in the people, what they share and how they show they care (about your questions, comments, etc) #oulop09
• gconole: @adamread yep I often browse and follow interesting people on other people tweet streams #oulop09Fri Jul 3 15:41:33 2009
• gconole: @jont yep totally agree - value of twitter is all in the community #oulop09Fri Jul 3 15:35:32 2009
• jont: @gconole find people u know who use twitter whose judgement you trust see who they follow. #oulop09 dont try to read everythingFri Jul 3 15:34:32 2009 mebner@gconole @cristinacost i agree .. you have to follow experts in the very first times where you can expect some answers in case of replies
• gconole: showing people value of twitter at #oulop09 - top tips to get people started?Fri Jul 3 15:31:29 2009 mocreevy: #oulop09 Do you need a job to have a landscape of practice? Does work vs life make sense? Fri Jul 3 13:18:48 2009
• daveowhite: @gconole I suppose my question is: 'What are the idenities useful for and why did we feel the need to develop them?' #oulop09 Fri Jul 3 11:38:56 2009
gconole Experience more important than education?
John Mak at 14:17 on 03 July
What do you think?
Lisa O'Donoghue at 19:00 on 03 July
yes...get's my vote.
Alfred Low at 05:51 on 04 July
Experiences are emerging and they can be out of education's sphere of understanding and influence. Thomas Kuhn who reasoned that, contrary to the tradition of scientist work by falsification, arguing is not just on philosophical grounds, but as a matter of historical fact, Kuhn suggested that scientist hold some fundamental beliefs (paradigms) so ... Read more
John Mak at 08:08 on 04 July
"Personal experience teaches us what no one can teach, including our successes and failures. Sometimes we know what can and can't be done up till now by ourselves, within the limits of human, to help us in the lifelong learning journey. It is no less important than education. Is it?
Education tells us what has been experienced by us and others through thinking, learning, and stories of successes and failures (the cases), and hopefully the individual and group experiences. The ideal education should also aim to prepare ourselves for the future, to challenge our beliefs as cited by Alfred, and to become a "wiser" person and community in thinking, in learning.
Would experience and education be the yin and yang of human evolution? I have discussed this yin and yang in my post. Without experience, education will become a vacuum. Without education, experience (history) will never be learnt.
John"
Grainne Conole at 10:07 on 04 July
Hi Alfred, Lisa, John - for me experience is important but so is learning - learning is when I consciously reflect on what I am doing and what I am gaining from what I am doing.
endaguinanRT @gconole: RT @helenrf Experience is what you get when you dont get what you want. Dan Stanford
Grainne Conole Quote from someone at #oulop09 "failed 11-plus became a professor"
Yesterday at 12:32 · via Twitter · Comment · Like
John Mak at 14:18 on 03 July
What makes a professor? Is failure the mother of success?
Grainne Conole at 10:08 on 04 July
Dunno still trying to figure that one out! ;-)
Keepers of the Inquiry
What is the purpose of the inquiry?
Does learning across boundaries just happen or does it need to be structured?
Does moving across boundaries produce a lot of failure as well as learning?
How do you go about learning from failure?
Does too much self conscious reflection about the learning process lead to poor teaching?
Are there lessons to be learned from how we have communicated across boundaries in this workshop for other cross boundary situations?
In what ways does access to/ understanding of technology represents an important boundary in modern society?
What do we need to understand about how crossing boundaries for professions carries issues of credibility, power and status. Eg school inpector credibility rests on prior history as teaching practitioner, relation between manager's role in early years setting and prior current practice with children; research practice, professional practice as source of credibility /status for HE teaching practitioners
Questions from the #oulop09 Twitter stream
An example of getting immediate answers via twitter
• gconole: anyone know the correct word for the meaning "the purest form or original version of something" we think its ohr or urh? help! #oulop09
Mark Gaved at 20:08 on 03 July
ursprache - German for "the speech of Ur", referring to the ancient Sumerian city (now in Iraq): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur . Neil Stevenson might be partly to blame for its usage in computing culture because he references Sumerian culture quite a lot in his book "Snowcrash"(1992) - which could also be partly responsible for the popularisation of "avatar" and "meme" and virtual worlds as social places..
DonMique@gconole 'arch' as in archetypical would give you the same, but maybe not so pure1 minute ago from web in reply to gconole
lastkaled@gconole ur
#oulop09
ianchowcat@gconole Ur - from the ancient city #oulop09about 17 hours ago from Nambu in reply to gconole
• gconole: found it! "ur" meaning original, prototypical from the german ursprache #oulop09
gconole: in a group looking at the question education for a job or educational for life? #oulop09
• davidandrew52: @PaulHollins balance of social and work seems crucial, but one of the things that people don't get #oulop09
• cristinacost: @gconole indeed! the value is in the people, what they share and how they show they care (about your questions, comments, etc) #oulop09 Fri Jul 3 15:44:13 2009
• mocreevy: @gconole #oulop09 experience matters but experien e ~= learning? Fri Jul 3 12:51:07 2009
• gconole: "Experience more important than education" #oulop09 Fri Jul 3 12:47:52 2009
Why twitter?
• jamesclay: @gconole #oulop09 think of Twitter as a stream and dip your toes in now and again, no need to walk down the stream Fri Jul 3 15:46:37 2009
• jamesclay: @gconole #oulop09 Twitter conversation is chatting over coffee without the constraints of geography and time. Fri Jul 3 15:46:07 2009
• jamesclay: @gconole #oulop09 think of Twitter as the conversation you have during coffee at a conference or work, sometimes work, sometimes not... Fri Jul 3 15:45:42 2009
• actualal: @gconole #oulop09 re:Twitter value - some links http://is.gd/1mpiK http://is.gd/1mpmD Fri Jul 3 15:43:02 2009
• cristinacost: ... @gconole #oulop09 and also on the retweets of those you follow... the network will grow - but u want it to remain meaningfulFri Jul 3 15:42:26 2009
• cristinacost: @gconole #oulop09 once U get used to the twitter activity U will start following those U find relevant -based on the ones U follow & ....Fri Jul 3 15:40:54 2009
• gconole: @cristinacost thanks cristina! 4 me its the value of the community - knowledge I gain & the shared support & my own "aha moment" #oulop09Fri Jul 3 15:40:45 2009
• cristinacost: @gconole #oulop09 start following only a couple of ppl - those who u think will B meaningful for ur personal/prof. development...Fri Jul 3 15:39:07 2009
cristinacost@gconole indeed! the value is in the people, what they share and how they show they care (about your questions, comments, etc) #oulop09
• gconole: @adamread yep I often browse and follow interesting people on other people tweet streams #oulop09Fri Jul 3 15:41:33 2009
• gconole: @jont yep totally agree - value of twitter is all in the community #oulop09Fri Jul 3 15:35:32 2009
• jont: @gconole find people u know who use twitter whose judgement you trust see who they follow. #oulop09 dont try to read everythingFri Jul 3 15:34:32 2009
mebner@gconole @cristinacost i agree .. you have to follow experts in the very first times where you can expect some answers in case of replies
• gconole: showing people value of twitter at #oulop09 - top tips to get people started?Fri Jul 3 15:31:29 2009
mocreevy: #oulop09 Do you need a job to have a landscape of practice? Does work vs life make sense? Fri Jul 3 13:18:48 2009
• daveowhite: @gconole I suppose my question is: 'What are the idenities useful for and why did we feel the need to develop them?' #oulop09 Fri Jul 3 11:38:56 2009
gconole Experience more important than education?
John Mak at 14:17 on 03 July
What do you think?
Lisa O'Donoghue at 19:00 on 03 July
yes...get's my vote.
Alfred Low at 05:51 on 04 July
Experiences are emerging and they can be out of education's sphere of understanding and influence. Thomas Kuhn who reasoned that, contrary to the tradition of scientist work by falsification, arguing is not just on philosophical grounds, but as a matter of historical fact, Kuhn suggested that scientist hold some fundamental beliefs (paradigms) so ... Read more
John Mak at 08:08 on 04 July
"Personal experience teaches us what no one can teach, including our successes and failures. Sometimes we know what can and can't be done up till now by ourselves, within the limits of human, to help us in the lifelong learning journey. It is no less important than education. Is it?
Education tells us what has been experienced by us and others through thinking, learning, and stories of successes and failures (the cases), and hopefully the individual and group experiences. The ideal education should also aim to prepare ourselves for the future, to challenge our beliefs as cited by Alfred, and to become a "wiser" person and community in thinking, in learning.
Would experience and education be the yin and yang of human evolution? I have discussed this yin and yang in my post. Without experience, education will become a vacuum. Without education, experience (history) will never be learnt.
John"
Grainne Conole at 10:07 on 04 July
Hi Alfred, Lisa, John - for me experience is important but so is learning - learning is when I consciously reflect on what I am doing and what I am gaining from what I am doing.
endaguinanRT @gconole: RT @helenrf Experience is what you get when you dont get what you want. Dan Stanford
Grainne Conole Quote from someone at #oulop09 "failed 11-plus became a professor"
Yesterday at 12:32 · via Twitter · Comment · Like
John Mak at 14:18 on 03 July
What makes a professor? Is failure the mother of success?
Grainne Conole at 10:08 on 04 July
Dunno still trying to figure that one out! ;-)
wenger identity as a trajectory - notion of being in constant transition, moving forward #oulop09about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck
PatParslow@gconole Well, moving anyway - and potentially in multiple directions. Aspirations help to make it forward movement
daveowhite@gconole What about identity as the starting point for relationships online?
about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck in reply to gconole
mocreevy#oulop is there a different kind of i(less regulated)dentity work involed in being an 'artist' versus 'being a nurse' or being a lawyer